tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872447660964013545.post7499263674596115334..comments2024-03-18T22:39:50.137-07:00Comments on A Kindle World blog: The Test-Run at Univ of Washington with Kindle DX'sAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05109282436243758435noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872447660964013545.post-62791869913422714012009-09-18T10:56:33.370-07:002009-09-18T10:56:33.370-07:00Hi, Batman -
I don't know that an e-reader ...Hi, Batman - <br /> I don't know that an e-reader can 'quickly flip' through the next few pages so that our eyes can take it in the same we would with a multipage flip with a paper book. I use a 'Search' to find something specific I'm looking for ahead.<br /><br /> I would like to get back the alt-NextPage to go ahead 5% though.<br /><br /> Annotations are a 100% must for classroom purposes. I wonder what they are telling the University people asking for improvement on this for the PDFs. It's crucial.<br /><br /> While I'd like a Plus model for coursework, the additions requested already *exist* in other e-readers now, because they have full licenses from Adobe. So it's either because they don't feel they can justify that cost or there is something in the firmware that makes it impossible and I don't see how that can be.<br /><br /> So what I'm saying is I think it's important they upgrade the firmware. <br /><br /> But you've a good point in that they can have a Plus model but I think it's a pipedream re a GOOD color e-ink for awhile. <br /> However, the Asus color LCD dual-screen model which will be $160 for a low-end model might work as a secondary device where color is necessary.<br /> <br /> Is a stylus that important? I've always preferred typing notes. I wonder how the software interprets bad handwriting for notes and what would happen on our kindle.amazon.com annotation webpage records. Also, the processor in these things cannot handle all that's asked, like handwriting recognition.<br /><br />The b&w iRex that can show PDFs in proper size does most of what you want (though not color) but it's $860 or so while not having the wireless for web info.<br /><br /> Me, I'd opt for a working LCD for color use that I use infrequently. For pure reading I'd still use the b&w e-ink. <br /><br /> The differentiated market-segmentation plan would be good but what you describe implies a super high cost for a student where the DX is already a problem at $490.<br /><br /> That would be one reason Plastic Logic is targeting (openly) the Business users and won't be going low-end in cost, they said.<br /><br /> My money's on an inexpensive secondary device like the Asus -- giving up e-ink for color charts etc.<br /><br /> The Flepia is $1100 or so? and its color and display time is awful. <br /><br /> But we can't be walking around with a bunch of devices. The vapor Apple iPad might work except where battery power is involved and of course the usual high cost.<br /><br /> Right now I mainly think they have to do the more-quickly possible things like allowing annotations of pdfs.<br /> It's a real dilemma the idea of a super-featured model, for a target group that finds the DX price difficult to justify. Anyway, I do think something will have to be done before Xmas. That's just my own pipedream :-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05109282436243758435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872447660964013545.post-39035719973372635682009-09-18T04:44:17.048-07:002009-09-18T04:44:17.048-07:00Hi Andrys,
I have to echo Professor Grossman’s co...Hi Andrys,<br /><br />I have to echo Professor Grossman’s comment about the desire (I would say need) to have a device that replicates the ability to *quickly* “flip” though pages and annotate passages in order to make the *in-class* use of Kindle (or other e-readers) more feasible. For study purposes, the ability to carry multiple volumes, refer to catalogued notes easily, share study notes paperlessly, etc., makes Kindle very useful already. However, in order to optimize the classroom experience, I believe Amazon and/or the other device makers will need to make a classroom-specific version (perhaps “Kindle EDU”). Such a version, in my vision, would include a stylus and handwriting recognition software, touch or multi-touch screen interface, on-screen page tabbing capability, and color e-ink (to address the oft-cited issues with textbook charts and graphs), for starters. Obviously, the cost of such a device could be significantly above the current price structure of the Kindle 2, or perhaps even the DX. However, as someone who uses the Kindle as a “casual” reader, but would like to be able to incorporate it into my professional life more, I think the current framework is insufficient to cover both worlds, and would be willing to pay some premium for the increased functionality. A differentiated market-segmentation plan could address this situation quite well, in my opinion, and who knows - with the color e-ink portion of my “wish list” at least a couple of years away, perhaps one or more of the manufacturers already has such a product on the drawing board(?). Just some random musings from the peanut gallery ;-) . Take care.Batman Jr.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872447660964013545.post-58576389327316159662009-09-17T11:38:18.807-07:002009-09-17T11:38:18.807-07:00Rob,
Yes, that webpage of our notes was very wel...Rob,<br /> Yes, that webpage of our notes was very welcome news, especially after they made it possible to see all notes for a book on one page, which was an update shortly after introducing it.<br /><br /> It's an extremely useful feature they don't mention in their marketing. I imagine there were a few meetings with publishers about it. <br /><br /> Their listing of books is sortable by title or author also. <br /><br /> Glad that works for you too !<br /><br /> - AAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05109282436243758435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872447660964013545.post-28990410810848793232009-09-17T10:45:55.390-07:002009-09-17T10:45:55.390-07:00Andrys--
Thank you for your astute response. The...Andrys--<br /><br />Thank you for your astute response. The availability of ALL clippings at the Kindle.amazon.com webpage solves my problem and has changed my view completely on the issue. Though I'd like my "My Clippings" file to be complete, the webpage more than makes up for the omissions, as the clippings are even easier to access online than on the .txt file, so long as the user has an internet connection.<br /><br />Bravo on the advice! Anyone who runs into a clipping limit should simply log in to http://kindle.amazon.com and choose the title they wish to access for a complete rendering of all their highlights and annotations.<br /><br />Rob Earp (rearp)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05090303991173757480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872447660964013545.post-45141641174711108482009-09-16T21:20:35.256-07:002009-09-16T21:20:35.256-07:00rearp, sorry, I didn't see this one earlier an...rearp, sorry, I didn't see this one earlier and just released the note. <br /><br /> The limits on highlighting and adding notes applies only to the "My Clippings" pure-text file, and the percentage of the book we're allowed to copy annotations to the separate non-book-affiliated file is determined by the publisher, I read.<br /><br /> Some publishers put no limits.<br /><br /> Nevertheless, the other, associated book-file that is keyed to the book (and is a binary file) has notes and highlights without the limit and all of these annotations can be viewed on one's personal http://kindle.amazon.com webpage if you've not withheld permission for Amazon to back up the notes you make to books.<br /><br /> When at that page, you can go to the bottom of page one and click to have all notes for the book shown on one scrolling page.<br /><br /> As far as the pure-text "My Clippings" file that you can move to your computer and edit or print -- while there are limits to some files for doing this (I've done 70-75 long highlights for two of my books w/o reaching the max yet), you do get a a notification that you can't put any more highlights into your "My clippings" file.<br /><br /> - AndrysAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05109282436243758435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872447660964013545.post-5476399805675678682009-09-16T15:43:34.245-07:002009-09-16T15:43:34.245-07:00On the other hand, sometimes it is easier to just ...On the other hand, sometimes it is easier to just convert it to WORD which will KEEP the multi-format layout too as long as it fits on the margins for vertical layout on the e-reader (which is easy enough to do in Word.<br /><br /> I did that for a very complex travel brochure which looked great in PDF on the Kindle DX but which had been originally done cramming paragraphs in small print on the original layout - hard to read even on a big computer screen.<br /><br /> I decided to highlight and copy sections I wanted to WORD, make the basic font larger, and that worked well for keeping multiple columns.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05109282436243758435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872447660964013545.post-82320169132202416482009-09-16T15:33:54.243-07:002009-09-16T15:33:54.243-07:00Anonymous,
The workaround they're using (PDF...Anonymous,<br /> The workaround they're using (PDF to Doc file) will work better as a working copy BUT they could treat the original pdf as reference copy -- just use it for reading and to study the graphs, illustrations, equations -- and for now use the MOBI converted copy for the highlighting and notes that the student wants to add.<br /><br /> People don't turn in a marked-up PDF but they would write a separate piece about what they'd read.<br /><br /> I don't know how you did it on the Kindle 2 without a reference PDF you could rely on regularly (as on our Kindles) but you were probably checking the actual PDF on your laptop maybe?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05109282436243758435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872447660964013545.post-72177453848913908922009-09-16T13:30:47.091-07:002009-09-16T13:30:47.091-07:00Still waiting for Kovid & Co. of Calibre fame,...Still waiting for Kovid & Co. of Calibre fame, or the MobiPocket Creator developers, to figure out how to tell the file converter to 'flow' text in the presence of multiple columns on a single page. It seems like there may be no code present at the text level to indicate column end? This fact was pretty maddening when I was using my Kindle 2 for a grad school course last spring. I was seriously categorizing my readings, first by topic, then by 'multiple columns, scanned page image, or 'single columns'. A student just shouldn't have to live like that. I think it makes one stupider by sucking life-force that could be used for learning the material. Even so, it was better than printing everything, or reading everything on my laptop or iPod Touch; but this should be improved -- and quickly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-872447660964013545.post-88799389709215313092009-09-16T10:42:42.048-07:002009-09-16T10:42:42.048-07:00Unless this has been addressed, students should be...Unless this has been addressed, students should be aware that Amazon puts undisclosed limits on on the amount of text that can be highlighted, clipped, and annotated. For any serious scholar, these limits--which are severe as well as being undisclosed--are a complete non-starter. Not only are there limits, but the Kindle does not alert you once you've reached them. Your highlights will simply not show up in the file where you expect to find them. I have written Amazon about this issue twice and never received any response. For this reason, the Kindle is only useful to the casual reader, who reads for pleasure, and not to scholar or professional.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05723243134068783868noreply@blogger.com